Updated October 5, 2024
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Before we dig into laying out strategies for dealing with narcissistic mothers – let’s establish if Mom is Narcissistic or is high in Narcissistic traits
Does she-
- regard herself as superior to others?
- exhibit arrogance?
- break the rules or exploit others to get what she wants?
- thinks she is special, more special than everyone else?
- exaggerate her achievements and talents?
- have a high need for praise and admiration?
- envy others or think others envy her?
- lack empathy or is tone-deaf about how things land with others?
- have a sense of entitlement and think she deserves special treatment just for being who she is?
Now, let’s smoke out the trickier version of Narcissism – the covert, vulnerable, or inverted Narcissist.
Frequently, only her daughter will encounter her more manipulative tactics. The covert narcissistic Mom knows how to put on a good social front and may be seen by others as exemplary or even a martyr.
-The covert narcissist may transfer her need to be special and superior to her daughter and appropriate her for her own glory. Behind the scenes, she will micromanage her daughter’s every action and controls her life like a master puppeteer.
-She is forever ” fixing” her daughter and putting pressure on her to be perfect. The covert narcissistic mother has a black belt in manipulation. Instead of being outwardly braggadocious, she weaponized guilt and exploits her daughter’s wish to be good for mom.
What makes her especially dangerous to her daughter is that she has the developmental advantage and has been priming her daughter throughout her development, taking over her sovereignty.
As an adult, her daughter is so used to being Mom’s pawn that she feels like she’s betraying her mother when she answers the call to grow up and away.
If her daughter dares to push back, she will hear things like. ” I guess I’m just a horrible mother,” She will forever be the victim, always the victim.
Basically, this narcissist has the same dysfunction but disguises these traits by pretending to be the opposite. Tricky indeed.
“Okay, so now I’ve established that she’s a narcissist, overt or covert (or high trait)… but I need strategies for dealing with a narcissistic mother that works.”
Exhausted, demoralized, and frustrated, if you are a daughter of a narcissistic mother…you are at the end of your rope or will be in the near future.
Maybe you’ve thought about going no contact, telling her off, or simply hoping she will change. All you know for sure is that you’ve had enough pain and drama for one lifetime.
You want off the emotional roller coaster ride.
The thing is, you know she is narcissistic (or suspect she is), but that’s only half the battle…
Knowing isn’t enough. What you need is a strategy, a game plan, and fast.
Luckily, I’ve been strategizing with psychotherapy clients (who have narcissistic or difficult mothers) for the past 30 years. Take it from me; I’ve seen up close what doesn’t work.
But before we discuss which strategies will work, we must examine which ones don’t and why.
I can save you hours, possible years, even decades wasted on perfectly reasonable strategies… that don’t work on a narcissistic mother.
Here are the top 5 strategies for dealing with a narcissistic mother that don’t work to prepare you for what will work.
Why should you care? Because you can learn SO much from what doesn’t work. You can stop wasting time on strategies that are bound to fail.
Perhaps you’ve tried some or all of the following. That’s because it is a natural response. You aren’t dumb or weak—far from it. It’s just that you may not have known what you are up against.
1) Insist on taking Mom to therapy –
Why you do it– Worn out, beat up, and exhausted from explaining yourself to no avail, you are desperate for a 3rd party to help you navigate the relationship with Mom. You think if she won’t listen to you, she will listen to an authority figure. You hope she will open up to a professional whose job it is to help her.
What’s likely to happen: The hard-to-handle, defensive Mom will rarely, if ever, enter therapy truly open to getting help. Her entire MO is deflecting blame and finding fault in other people. Anything less, she experiences as defeat. That’s how she has survived so far. So, IF, and that’s a big IF, she ever darkens the door of a therapist’s office, she will most likely do so with one of 2 objectives: a) to prove she is the victim of your unfair attack b) to prove the therapist wrong,
Mom will come out of the session declaring victory, saying the therapist either sided with her or alternatively that the therapist is an idiot/doesn’t know what she is talking about. She will miss the point of therapy entirely. Sadly, a true narcissist is very unlikely to enter into the kind of therapeutic relationship with what it takes for her to change- the willingness to be vulnerable, transparent, and reflective. Nope, it’s not gonna happen in this lifetime.
2) Write her epic letters explaining how she has hurt you –
Why you do it-. You think if only she would hear you out, you could explain to her exactly and in detail how she has hurt you. You crave justice so badly you can taste it. Having been treated unfairly for so long now, you are ready to have your say.
What’s likely to happen- Getting it down on paper will probably feel good to you. Laying it all out there will be therapeutic for you. On the other hand, she will likely use it as a weapon, cherry-pick a few points to refute your entire argument, and point the finger back at you. She will accuse you of false equivalence or demonstrate faux outrage, declaring herself the victim. ” This is my thanks for trying to help you! ”
3) Argue with her, hoping she will see your side-
Why you do it – Not willing to let her bully you any longer, you stick up for yourself and don’t back down. You’ve put up with too much for too long, and you aren’t going to roll over anymore.
What’s likely to happen- Even though it can feel cathartic to let her have it with both barrels after all this time, you rarely get the desired result. Either she fires back with all the ammo she can muster, or she crumbles in a tearful heap– thereby shutting down any effective communication.
4) Try to be good, so she’ll be good to you-
Why you do it- You keep thinking if you can look good for Mom, make Mom look good, or make sure Mom is good with you, she will return the favor and come through for you.
What’s likely to happen- Sadly, Mom comes to expect it. Her needs take priority, and the motto” if momma ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy” becomes your mantra. You are programmed from childhood to defer to her needs. You keep waiting for a payoff that never comes.
5) Complain to everyone but Mom
Why you do it- stuck Between a rock and a hard place, you need someone to listen to because it never goes well when you try and talk to Mom. Instead, you chew your husband and/or best friend’s ear off with the same complaints. Troopers that they are, even they get worn out with the same old story time after time, especially when they aren’t the ones that can change things.
What’s likely to happen –They get worn out, and it never really scratches where you itch. The same issues with Mom keep happening, like Groundhog Day. Depression and anxiety get a foothold in your psyche as hopelessness sets in.
And don’t even try to get Dad to stick up for you. That’s very likely to backfire.
At this point, I need to make one thing clear.
You aren’t doing anything wrong. In fact, you are only doing what comes naturally to you, what would come naturally to any daughter, given what you have to work with. Working for mom’s approval, trying to reason with her, exploding in frustration when you can’t get through to her, and thinking it must be your fault when all your attempts fail.
But you would be wrong in thinking that something was wrong with you. You see your survival brain, trying to keep you alive and well, made some bargains in early childhood and signed contracts with Mom that aren’t healthy for you now. Your evolutionary mandate to make it work with the one God gave you was in full operation.
The problem now is that you don’t know those contracts to prioritize mom’s needs over your own, which are way past their expiration dates and sorely need an upgrade. You may be using an old operating system even though you are a grown adult woman, yet the assumptions mom makes are a product of a time when she had complete power over you.
Here’s the problem… and it’s not you!
If Mom is indeed narcissistic and has a full-blown personality disorder– she cannot, will not, set her concerns aside and put herself in your place. The defenses that make up a narcissistic personality will prevent her from dropping the shield she uses to defend herself from what she fears is psychological devastation- even for her own child (you).
Unfortunately, all of your approaches depend on her willingness to meet you halfway. However, that particular chip is missing.
Exactly why these strategies for dealing with a narcissistic mother don’t work
A) Working for mom’s approval – if she is narcissistic, she needs to be superior; therefore, you need to be inferior. Ergo, she can’t give you the approval you crave. She would lose her advantage. Get it? It isn’t because she is evil; the defenses she uses to keep her from falling into a cauldron of self-loathing demand she come out on top are in operation.
Sadly, she needs to defeat everyone, including you.
B) Waiting to get Mom’s permission to take charge of your adult life – Chances are you don’t even know you are doing it. You’ve been trained all your life to take the subservient position to not rock the boat, challenge Mom, or upset her. Yet, it is in your vocal tone, the way you ask a question rather than make a statement. You think if you don’t threaten her, she will grant you permission to do what’s best for you.
The truth is, if Mom is narcissistic, she needs to keep you subservient (under her), so she treats your deference as a weakness and refuses to grant you permission.
C) Expecting Mom to empathize with you- I’ve seen too many daughters, particularly trapped in the role of the good daughter, collect hurts expecting Mom to wake up one day and realize all they have endured for Mom and finally give them the love they deserve. Except the only one counting is you. Mom is just being Mom …oblivious to the hurt she causes.
The harsh truth is that narcissism doesn’t allow her the bandwidth to empathize with you. Therefore she can’t see much less face what she has put you through. That would cause her too much shame, which is exactly the emotion she is working to avoid.
Suppose she does register (for a nanosecond) that she is causing you distress. In that case, her defenses quickly come to the rescue (hers, not yours) with a massive rationalization campaign to wipe away any discomfort she may be feeling.
Like an etch-a-sketch… any empathy for you is wiped away.
Why have I gone so far into the weeds about narcissism and what doesn’t work?
Because this leads to the number one strategy for dealing with a narcissistic mom that will work.
*RESTRAINT*
I know, I know, at first glance, it doesn’t look very sexy, mind-blowing, or transformative. But believe me, it IS.
And it will be the hardest thing you ever do. Holding back what comes naturally to a normal person is very hard. As a daughter, you keep hoping against hope that one more explanation, one more convincing argument, will make all the difference.
Sadly, it makes no difference. It only exhausts you.
Why is this the number one strategy for dealing with a narcissistic mother?
Because a narcissist’s entire game plan is based on defeat, and if she can get and keep you engaged in the arena, she has a fighting chance. Narcissists thrive on gamesmanship.
They live to fight, whereas it takes a chunk out of your soul.
You are basically playing two different games. More accurately put, you have two different objectives for relating. Your objective is relational. You want to build a relationship—most people do—while a narcissist’s objective is to wield power over you.
So what now?
Up until now, you have been speaking the language of mutual respect, kindness, compassion, empathy, and fair play. She has been speaking the language of power, manipulation, intimidation, and, of course, one-up-manship.
Strategies for dealing with a narcissistic mother have more to do with power than establishing a relationship. Therefore, by keeping your engagement to a minimum, you refuse her the material she needs to put you down.
What does restraint look like?
So restraint means -withholding that which she would use to defeat you.
That means you don’t fall for gaslighting, baiting, and love-bombing, all of which are manipulations… disguised as something else- the verbal wolf in sheep’s clothing. These manipulations are designed to throw you off the narcissist’s game, to put you at a disadvantage so she can gain power over you. In a nutshell (pun intended), if something feels off, consider the source.
So now that you are onto the narcissist’s games and less likely to fall for them, you are better prepared to develop some proactive strategies.
Are these strategies for dealing with a narcissistic mother easy? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!
Are they possible? ABSOLUTELY!
Are you ready? YES!
Strategies for dealing with a narcissistic mother that will work!
1)Reset expectations with Mom.
Whatever your past behavior has led Mom to expect, you can take control and change it up.
For example- When you get an email, phone call, or text, wait for a beat-up (a moment or a day- depending) to respond. Instead of your usual, she says jump, and you say how high, reset her expectation of you. If you’ve always spent the holidays with her, you might stay in a hotel, limit the visit, or leave if it becomes uncomfortable.
When you set new expectations- expect pushback, even a lot of pushback with varying accompanying degrees of drama 🙂 . But if you stay the course, in time she will either adjust or write you off completely. And if she writes you off completely, it was never going to be a relationship-it was always going to be a hostage taking. Most mothers, if they are psychologically able will, in time, come to abide by your way of doing things. She may never like it, but she will respect it if she knows it is the only way you will engage with her.
2) Lead with intention.
Instead of asking for permission or approval know what is important to you and where you will and will not concede. Take the power for yourself instead of waiting it or worse deferring to your mother.
For example – When you intend to make a change or set a boundary make a statement instead of asking a question. For example, Mom would it be okay if we didn’t have dinner every Monday”, say ” From now on dinner once a month will work better for me.” You don’t have to be rude or unfeeling- you just have to be definite. You could even say, ” I know we have been eating together every Monday but I’m finding it too much for my schedule so a once a month frequency is going to work better for me going forward.”
3) Deflect criticisms from Mom.
When Mom criticizes you or weighs in with a bit of unwanted advice, make it clear you have no interest in entertaining her opinions.
For example- “I hear you feel that way, and it’s hurtful to hear. ” / ” I’m not sure why you’d want to say that to me. / “I’ll be deciding (fill in the blank) for myself and will ask you if I need your help.”
4) Accept that Mom is who she is instead of who you need her to be.
This one is tough medicine. And it might seem obvious, yet, children tend to want their parents to be who they need them to be. If Mom has acted in certain ways for years and observed predictable patterns, don’t expect her to change.
For example- Instead of pointing out to her all of the things she does to hurt you, protect yourself accordingly and don’t tie your happiness to her opinion of you.
5) Own your mistakes and successes instead of serving them up for Mom’s critique.
Everyone messes up. It isn’t the end of the world. If you make a mistake, take the lesson and move on. Don’t make too much of the things that don’t work out and create a negative story about yourself.
For example– Instead of explaining what went wrong to Mom, thereby offering up material for her to bash you, process your experience with someone you trust, learn the lesson, and move past it.
6) Leave your childhood behind.
Accept responsibility for your adult life and claim that life as a grown-up, even though your mother may still treat you like a child.
For example, when Mom tries to tell you what to do, tell her you will need to decide for yourself. Make decisions without asking for Mom’s input.
7) Redefine what it means to be good for yourself.
Good is now independent, self-sufficient, and sovereign. Recalibrate your life to reflect your values instead of hers.
For example -Prioritize yourself. Literally, make sure your needs are taken care of before entertaining taking care of hers. Be prepared for her to test you on this.
8) Work to disengage any ties of obligation to her.
It’s hard to negotiate from a position of obligation. If you live under her roof, use her for childcare, and borrow money from her, she will use it as leverage.
Establish your independence even if you have to take it step by step.
* Bonus- speak to her in the only language she understands
Here’s what I mean-
If there is a chance that your narcissistic mother is going to listen to what you have to say, you must make declarative statements- such as “ I’ve decided to X, or I’m going to X. If you X, I will Y.
This works- in that, it will get her attention. Hearing you doesn’t mean she will like it or agree with you or concede your point.
Instead, you will be speaking her language- the language of power.
Not empathy or collaboration; she neither respects nor does she relate to those.
It isn’t pro-relationship, but if you need to get her attention, speak her language.
* Only try this if you are prepared for pushback and you are going to follow through.
Guaranteed- she won’t like it, and you will get plenty of pushback. You need to reserve this approach when you are ready to follow through. You don’t want to make empty threats.
Do it to define you, not to change her. Then walk away, don’t argue, don’t take the bait…. and follow through.
The reason all of these strategies for dealing with a Narcissistic mother DO work-
These strategies for dealing with a Narcissistic mother are all under your control.
All of your childhood, she held the control. Now that you are grown, you control her access to and influence over you.
***All that’s left is for you to realize it.***
Once she knows you won’t waver and are solid in your resolve, she knows you have the power.
If you resonate with this article, I have more about where this came from- a place where I break it all down and show you the road map.
Click below or go here to learn what it took me 30-plus years to figure out that you won’t find anywhere else.
FAQ’s. •
Restraint!, It’s more about what you don’t do rather than what you do. Refuse to take the bait, argue back, defend yourself or engage at all. Some call this grey rocking.
Because the underlying personality structure of both types of narcissism is the same.
Because a true narcissist only sees “people pleasing” and being “nice” as a weakness she is driven to exploit.
Not likely. A narcissistic mother has a difficult, if not impossible time, empathizing. She will see any concession in an argument as giving you a leg up on her. Her narcissistic defenses make her driven to defeat you rather than understand you.
If Mom is a full-blown narcissist, she won’t be able to let herself be vulnerable enough to benefit from psychotherapy. She will most likely see therapy as a proving ground to argue her case or declare the therapist inadequate.
Restraint!, It’s more about what you don’t do rather than what you do. Refuse to take the bait, argue back, defend yourself or engage at all. Some call this grey rocking.
Because the underlying personality structure of both types of narcissism is the same.
Because a true narcissist only sees “people pleasing” and being “nice” as a weakness she is driven to exploit.
Not likely. A narcissistic mother has a difficult, if not impossible time, empathizing. She will see any concession in an argument as giving you a leg up on her. Her narcissistic defenses make her driven to defeat you rather than understand you.
If Mom is a full-blown narcissist, she won’t be able to let herself be vulnerable enough to benefit from psychotherapy. She will most likely see therapy as a proving ground to argue her case or declare the therapist inadequate.
(Here is the audio version of this post)
Sources-
Shonokoff, J. P. and Garner, A. S. (2012), The lifelong effects of early childhood adversity and toxic stress. https://ohioaap.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/peds.2011-2663.full_.pdf
To learn more about the ACE (Adverse Childhood Experiences) study, see this excellent page on the CDC website https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/acestudy/about.html
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2016/11/growth-trauma
Post-traumatic growth (PTG) is a theory that explains this kind of transformation following trauma. It was developed by psychologists Richard Tedeschi, PhD, and Lawrence Calhoun, PhD, in the mid-1990s, and holds that people who endure psychological struggle following adversity can often see positive growth afterward.
Golomb, Elan Ph.D. (1992). Trapped in the Mirror: Adult Children of Narcissists and Their Struggle for Self. New York, N.Y.: William Morrow.
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Wow..this all fits my mom to a T…it is going to be the death of me I swear. I am living with my narcissistic mother now and have been for the past 5 years. I am 52 years old and didn’t expect to get a divorce and end up back where it all started. And I’m so completely lost. And confused and tired of dealing with it. I can’t afford to live on my own but am working of course. I pay rent to live with her but it changes nothing. I’m sad and emotionally drained…can you please help me???
I”m so sorry you are feeling sad and drained. It is understandable and probably somewhat overwhelming to read an article like this one. Although I can’t know your circumstance exactly, many of my clients feel a sense of hopelessness at first but end up feeling relief when they discover what has been going on with their mothers all along. If this information rings true for you… know that the truth will ultimately set you free. It always does. When the emotional dust settles you can sort through what you can change and what you cannot change. That’s the first step.
Then be gentle with yourself and gain the clarity and insight which is the gift underneath all the pain.
From there you have a solid base on which to rebuild your life. If you want help, read around the blog, ask me questions in the comment sections ( I will answer), and sign up for the free offerings here. Where you are isn’t the end. It’s a new beginning if you let it. Best of luck.
Hi, I am actually a father of 2 a girl 4 months and boy 5 years old. I caught your article on dealing with narcissist moms and how what to do and not do when dealing with them. I do not live with my children but had been trying to fix a broken relationship with there mother who has ptsd and what I suspect as pre-existing NPD. Right now things are really bad cause of the excessive cruel gaslighting , moments of inflated self -recognition, and malicious triangulations narcissism surrounding relationships and mischief behavior that has lead to me questioning if she has been cheating on me. Which I’ve never known her to be that way but might I add that she resides with her well funded support system. Her parents, who I suspect to be community narcissist. I feel as though my children’s mother and I can’t progress in moving out as a family cause of her fears of the bad things that happen in the world. Or her folks maintaining control in a manipulative
way cause they don’t want to see there grand children move out and be a real family. The support system that was thought to be a much appreciated stepping stone at one time sometimes is used as a weapon towards myself by my kids mom. Where I am not aloud to disagree or have a opinion when it pertains to there well being. Her folks don’t support our children it’s said. her folks support my children and enable her. When trying to set goals to move out. The plans are always deviated from what I suspect as her thinking, there is no incentive to moving her and the children out. How do I deal with her, when I feel as though she tells versions of reality that discredit me and portray her either as a victim or hero or when she makes it seem as though she does not like or want to be with me or want to be with me keeping my children from me as if I am a bad, bad, person.
Hi Sam,
If I understand you, you are asking how to support someone being influenced and in the grips of a narcissist. In this case your estranged wife’s parents.
The best way to handle this is also the hardest.
Aside from gently encouraging her to read up on the disorder, your best bet is to be a stark contrast. If she is surrounded by judgment and manipulation, you on the other hand can offer support that is non-judgmental, kind, and honest.
Remember, if your loved one has only known one kind of attachment she will not be likely to let go unless she experiences something different. You can show her that she has a soft place to land if she chooses to go. I’m afraid you can’t force it.
At the very least you can show your children there is another way to love. Don’t underestimate the importance of your example. You have to be in it for the long haul-not an easy thing to do but important none-the-less.
Best of luck,
Katherine
I dont understand how my mother treated me….she was bankrupt and lose her business too…and as I’m the eldest siblings…i pity her so much that i promised myself that when I grow up I’ll definitely help her and make her success ….and then luckily I got a good job and just after that I paid allher loans from the bank and now she’s free…but she never appreciate me…she treated my sister different from me..she back her up in everything and she keep silent on her faults and appreciate in a little good things she did…but me! even if I work whole day and give all my money….she never appreciate me deep inside…and both my mom and sister never respect me..
I used to tell myself that one fine day they’ll realize how much I love them and theyll treat me well…but..im tired…its been 7 years but they are getting worse…they even try to kick me out of the house…Before I used to say things nicely but even while I’m talking to her she just walk away from me…after 2 years I started to yell but it’s getting worse…
one other thing is that I told her that I wanted to open a pig farm…at first my mom hesitate and saying that she don’t wanna do farming..but after 2 years of my prayer she started to accept my dreams and then I took a pig loan and we started a pig farm…im a nurse and even when I’m having day off I always plough the field and took care of the pigs…then now we’re about to get success in piggy farm….she stop sharing with me what’s going on in the farm and I feel like she doesn’t welcome me….i feel like she wanted to keep the pig farm as her own and understimate me in all my hard work and the money I’ve spent…i want what makes her feel secure nd happy..thats what my intention is…But how can she treated me like that as if she wanted to cut me out and dont want me to indulge ….
how can my mom love me and respect me…? please help
It feels awful to be slighted by the very person you’ve tried to help, especially when it is your own mother. That’s what I gather is the gist of your situation.
It might be time to assess your situation and make a determination about whether or not your sacrifice is paying off. As much as you want her approval and love it might not be in the cards. As hard as it is to accept, it might be advisable to begin to look after your own interests rather than chasing something that never comes.
Take care,
Katherine
Terrific site! My strategy? Write an article, about envy and the mother who thinks she’s Princess Margaret to her sisters Queen Elizabeth, from my perspective. Problem? The slightest scratching round the surface of family history is leading into more of a book length strategy. And to murder, commitment , suicide and eventually, fraud.. I would love some thought partners. Thank you!
Hi Lucretia,
Thank you! Your writing project sounds fascinating and hopefully very therapeutic. I’m just sorry you had to live it. 🙁
Take care,
Katherine
The goal was never exactly a “pay off” per se, but it is debilitating to realize at 60 years old that the life I gave to be a good daughter will end with resentment from my mother, never being “good enough” and constant scapegoating. The problem now is she’s early early dementia and depression and yet not ready for placement. That leaves hired caregivers or me because my siblings all have lives and young children. She will not tolerate strangers in her home and no one will last with her raging outbursts. Meanwhile, I forsook having a family because I couldn’t balance the narc drama or free myself to be the kind of mom I always dreamed of being; and I regret it every day because raising kids may be hard but there is joy and pure love and creating of magical memories. Raising an 80 year old narc who is so filled with venom is void of joy because she’s incapable of being happy. And because i’ve been the one doing this for decades, I am the one to blame (in her eyes) for that unhappiness. It all stinks.
I am so sorry – it sounds like a living nightmare.
I hope by writing your story others learn from it. In my experience there is no pay off for giving up your life ” for your mother”. I hope you have some affirming people in your life to help balance your mothers’s negativity.
I know nothing will make up for your sacrifices- and I understand you never intended to give so much to an ungrateful mother…. that her demands made you feel like you had no other choice. It is one of the most cruel twits of fate I hear about and I hear it often.
Thank you for writing. I hope this will help others see that the hard choice is often necessary.
I moved across the country from my family many years ago and I find that I am in a better position to enforce boundaries with my narc mother. She now knows that I will hang up on her if she chooses to be overly critical or engages in name-calling. And she knows I won’t call back and apologize. She knows I won’t answer the phone every time she calls so she actually stopped calling me (!). That is intended to make me feel guilty for not giving in immediately to her whim, but actually it allows me to only have contact with her on my terms and when the timing is right for me. She takes every opportunity to try and make me feel guilty about this but I just ignore it (no point in arguing!). Another one of her tactics is to ignore any long emails that I send her (I find that writing is a safer way to communicate with her). At first I was confused by this but then I realized that she answered brief emails, just not longer ones (and she knows how to type/not just hunt and peck, so it’s not about being a difficult thing for her to do). She thinks that if I don’t hear back from her then I will call her to find out if she got the email. So as soon as I realized that was the strategy, I stopped taking the bait and now I just let my emails sit unanswered, knowing that she absolutely did see them and is just being witchy. I have learned not to be vulnerable around her (in one of her long ago tirades, she got mad at me because I “never act upset” about anything–ha! That’s because she is only allowed to see the superficial me). Basically we keep our conversations centered around the few topics we agree on and I tell her what my kids have been up to and that’s pretty much it. It’s a sad thing to feel unknown and unloved by your own mother but it is what it is and I have accepted that I can’t change her. Some days I do better with it than others (what I would give to have a mother who just listens to what I have to say and offers solace instead of judgment and orders!). I have endeavored to be the opposite of my mother to my children and I hope that I have stopped that cycle at least. I have learned to feel pity for my mother because she is a miserable person with no friends and that’s how she’ll spend her remaining days and that’s how she will die. Alone and self-centered and clueless.
Thank you for your well thought out and articulated comments and strategies. I imagine those have been after many tears and much frustration. I know your words and generosity in sharing will help others.
I do hear and am sorry for the pain you are still left with but appreciate that you have been able to break the cycle with your own children. That is no small thing IMO.
Take care,
Katherine
Ditto… Your story and mine are the same. It took me almost 50 years to realize it. It really is sad, but in hindsight, it made me a great Mother and Grandmother and my kids love me and tell me all the time. She just wrap her head around how much my children love me and wonders why her children (besides me) have nothing to do with her. So, if nothing else, I’m grateful for that!
Wow so glad for the Internet finding new content all the time. For years though it was me. I went low contact in 2023 I did not say anything as you know best to say little. When she realised what was going on, she fabricated a lie that she was dying. Yes we went to all the doctors and therapists and they ran every test on her. Opened my eyes though they declared her healthy she stated she is losing her memory they said no. And on and on it went. I had a mouth full of ulcers must be all the running here and there with her and she spat at me venomously why don’t you ever look after yourself. Something in me snapped that day. And the words self care flashed up in my mind like a light bulb. So now fast forward a year later grey rocking is my friend and boundaries are my best buddies. I am friendly yet firm very firm and happy to smile and nod. She knows what I am doing and I know what I am doing and we both know why. But let it remain unspoken. . .I am so thankful for the outrageous lie because it released me she exposed herself. I don’t dislike her but the shift has occurred and there’s no going back. I want to live and see my grandchildren thank you. I don’t complain to anyone and I don’t explain anything to her. As survivors of long term abuse we have to heal alone sometimes in peace. Meditation and Breathwork have been my saviours truly. No one truly gets it unless they have a npd parent especially mother. My children are great too of course and I have an understanding partner. Over 40 long years now but I feel completely light and free now and the realisation that there was never anything wrong with me in the first place. I am not perfect but my heart is in the right place. Thankful to my grandparents too because their influence helped me not turn into sociopath or npd. Thankful
This is what works – you cut ties. Plain and simple. After a lifetime of doing all the things that don’t work, and naturally moving toward what you suggest – even that was too costly. Cutting ties has saved.my.life.
Lori,
Only you can know what is best for you and it sounds like it was the only choice. I have certainly seen that in some circumstances this to be the case. Thank you for writing and best of luck to you.
Katherine
I did the same thing–cut off all ties going on about 18 years ago. Best move I ever made. Blessings to you.
I really enjoyed this article and its suggestions–but when the situation is so toxic, sometimes walking away is all that’s left.
When I suddenly understood (age 55) that I was the ‘good daughter’ of a narc mother, I took time away from her to get therapy and begin my healing from the life of pain. 4 years on, I can be myself at last and while I haven’t gone non contact (it would cause more problems for my sibling) I’m keeping her at an emotional distance and visit with her on my own terms. The most effective strategy with her is zero tolerance. When she behaves badly I walk away. It’s pointless getting into any kind of criticism or discussion, she doesn’t get it and just becomes defensive and histrionic. Walking away disarms her so she can’t win.
Dear Madeline,
Congradulations on your success! There is some great advice here. I hope others will benefit from your example.
Thank you for sharing,
Katherine
Wow! Thank you for creating this website and sharing these tips and trips for dealing with a narcissistic mother. I am truly grateful for you!
After tolerating years of outrageous behavior from my mother and the abusive treatment we all know so well, I went no contact five months ago. It started off just needing space, but her antics just pushed me further away.
Interestingly, I feel I have been thrust into this gut-wrenching introspective evaluation of abuse inflicted by my mother that started from the time I could walk. Her sickness and unwillingness to get well has negatively impacted me to the core of my being in ways I am just now realizing. I am not only furious, but deeply hurt and overwhelmed with sadness.
My mom is 80 years old and has some health difficulties, but she can take care of herself for the most part. But, she lives in my apartment complex and for the past four years I have been helping her and have nursed her through multiple surgeries. I was doing SO MUCH for her.
Alas, I just walked away from it all because I just couldn’t take it anymore! I have two older siblings, but they gave up on our mother years ago. My mom has no family or friends. Even though walking away has been awesome for me, I feel terribly guilty for “abandoning her.”
So here is my question:
What advice can you give to us good daughters who have abusive narcissistic mothers who are elderly or in ill health? How can we take care of ourselves and show restraint without out carrying the burden of guilt for leaving them, even when leaving is absolutely necessary for our sanity?
Sincere Thanks,
Bethany
Hi Bethany- I have worked with several clients on this very issue. The solution is different for everyone – however, there are some themes and patterns that emerge.
1) A pattern of bullying. When Mom has used the pattern of intimidation to get her way- you have to stop rewarding that behavior. Make it clear you will not reinforce her negative/cruel behavior with more compliance… and of course follow through.
2) Carrying an unfair load. When mom relies on one child more than the others and just “expects” her good daughter to come through for her, you can let her and your siblings know you won’t be continuing solo in the role. Reset expectations.
3) Instead of being at her “beck and call” determine her needs (not only what she says they are) and hire help if you can or get compensation from your siblings ( if there are the resources).
4) Set limits around what you are willing to do for her. For example, one client I worked with told her mother she would only visit her twice a week and answer texts and emails on a regular schedule that she set. Her mother was so abusive she would only agree to meet her in the dining room- knowing her mother would feel social pressure to rein in the abuse) when she was in public.
I’ve seen all of the above work wonders. Of course, you have asked what if you need to have no involvement. That is a perfectly acceptable stance in my book. Also if you are clear that you can walk away completely, you are in a great bargaining position if you want to step in at all.
Overall, I’d say you have more power than you know.
To those who say “what do I owe my mother? I say… more importantly, what do you owe yourself? ”
Take care and keep writing in.
Warmly,
Katherine
I can relate to every comment on here. My mother turns 81 today, and I have had no contact with her for over 2 years. I feel huge, huge guilt, but I also feel free. It is, honestly, the worst state to be in. I am terribly conflicted, but when I think I should contact her again, everything from the past bubbles up, and I feel as though my life will be I terrible turmoil again. I really don’t need to hear all that criticism again. I don’t think I am ready to handle it. I don’t know if I will ever be able to handle it again. Ugh. How the heck did I wind up with a mother like this? Why was I never good enough? Why cant I ever be good enough? It just tiring.
Thanks for writing Aprilaurie- I totally hear you. The feelings of relief and guilt seem to go together, initially, that is. I’m actually in the process of writing a book on how to set boundaries without feeling guilty ….so stay tuned.
In it, I show how the guilt you feel is rooted in very old unconscious agreements your survival brain made to bond with a very flawed person. Not because you are flawed but because you are biologically primed to do whatever it takes to bond with your “given” caretaker.
You took on the burden of bonding with a mother who needed to put you down (never good enough) because she needed to be superior or relevant or just needed to be needed. I posit that you can have outsized feelings of guilt that are disproportionate to your actions. You were never meant to take care of her emotions even though your evolutionary brain says you are/were.
If the terms of the relationship with her are bad for you- think about what you owe yourself.
Know that there are many out there in your same situation making the hard but sometimes necessary decision to move past the endless, fruitless involvement with a mother whose relational terms are toxic for them.
Take care,
Katherine
I’m so thankful to have found your site. I am 39, married with 4 children. 5 years ago we moved across the street from my parents because my dad was so helpful with our kids. My dad passed away unexpectedly Christmas Day 2019 and now my mom has gone overboard. We always had a strained, tense relationship but now without my dad- the buffer- it’s so much worse. She wants me to be responsible for taking care of her mental stability and frequently checking on her as well as all the “ honey- dos”. But it’s never enough. I’m never doing enough, I don’t live her enough, I don’t check on her enough. I really want to go no contact, but us living so close might make that hard. Reading your articles and comments is helping me realize I’m not alone and I’m not crazy!!
Hi Jessica,
Thank you for letting me know the site has been helpful. You definitely aren’t alone in this dilemna nor are you crazy!
And oh my gosh- what a terrible way to discover your mother’s true limitations. It must be draining to say the least.
I hope you will check in frequently to the site and get more and more information and helpful hits. I’m working on an online course for strategies on how to deal with a difficult mother. I’ll need beta testers if you are interested. Stay tuned.
Best,
Katherine
So amazing. The article and the comments. I think that I have my mother “under control “ but she still gets me. After not seeing her for five months, she is comfortable to tell me I am wasting my life. She is 82, I am a retired school principal. Why does this even still hurt? Why does she think it’s ok to say stuff like this? My non-reactive response stops the situation escalating, but provides me with no satisfaction. Just days of pain.
Hi Michele,
Thanks for writing in.
Good for you for not escalating the situation. I can appreciate how much self-control that takes.
It helps some of my clients to respond to hurtful comments like this with ” I’m not sure why you would want to say something like that?” Of course, she will probably have a comeback so you have to weigh that possibility against calling her out.
The response I suggested helps because you are acknowledging to her that she has a choice and is choosing to be hurtful. It probably won’t stop anything but it might feel good to you to speak to the hostility she is dishing out. It also follows that you would then get off the phone or end a visit.
In other words, you have set the stage for taking action to protect yourself.
I think some form of action is important to keep from introjecting or “taking in” her jabs. When you just “take it” you might run the risk of taking it in and carrying around the poison. It’s important that you send the message to yourself that you are rejecting her assessment of you.
That’s different from arguing with her about your worth.
Best of luck and let me know how it goes.
Katherine
I am so glad I found this website! My mother is elderly (84) and my older brother has always been the ‘apple of her eye’ and no one else really exists (unless she needs something from me of course). My Dad passed about 10 years ago.
She engages in this odd behavior with my brother (who I think just tolerates her at times) where they joke about things that make me cringe (most recently their jokes were about covid, other racist comments, making fun of different ethnic groups). I have begun calling her out on this behavior (a handful of times it has been in a public place such as a store) and letting her know that this is unacceptable and I find this offensive. I believe this is how she maintains my brother as her ‘favorite child’ because they share an ‘inside joke’. By the way this has gone on for years. Sometimes when I call her out on it she gets upset with me!
I didn’t realize until I began researching the definition of a narcissist that this is really a form of manipulation…..
Thanks again for you information!
Hi Margaret,
It never ceases to surprise me the number of difficult mothers who elevate one child – idealizing them and then be so hard on another. And… how often this idealized child is a son. What’s more, the idealized son rarely has a “real” relationship with Mom. He tolerates her while she thinks he can do no wrong.
It’s no wonder these personalities take marginalized groups.. “others”.. and use them as their objects of scorn. I’m sorry you are caught in the crosshairs of her hate and limitations. I’m glad this website has been useful.
Best to you,
Katherine
I read this for a client of mine. It sounds as if my father is narcissistic or at least having several narcissistic traits. I would imagine this information/strategies apply to son’s and their fathers?
Hey David,
Thanks for writing in and being on the lookout for anything that would help your client.
I do think the strategies mentioned here are applicable for sons as well as daughters. Fathers who have narcissistic defenses tend to be more overt and grandious while mothers can skew towards the covert variety. Either way, the strategies to deal with them tend to reinforce boundaries and how to resist playing their games.
I hope this is helpful for you.
Thanks,
Katherine
Thank you so much! I also found other authors who have written about sons/fathers and being children of narcissistic parents.
Help . I am in tears here i read your post and my mum fits this to a t . I found out a few years ago my mum is a narcissist. I was bought up an only child as she had my brothers and sisters adopted . I was the golden child until 19 years old I noticed the change when I was 13 years old . I went to live in another country and since then she has hated me I have taken this abuse for 38 years . It has left me with an anxiety disorder . I’ve had a lifetime of picking narc men and low self esteem not her fault I understand that it’s my choices A couple of years ago she would phone me everyday for 1min for years and I got fed up as it was stressing me out so I had counselling . My counsellor helped me to set boundaries and to stop getting into slanting matches with her as it was wearing me down . The insults like your ugly ,thin ,stupid you wasted my life bringing you up are imprinted on my brain . I went no contact a couple of months ago and I was getting hundreds of phone calls which I’m not answering . Today I got a letter saying I love you your my only daughter I’m in bits. I want to answer but I know I can’t I’m so sad I really want to
Show her some love and pick up the phone but I’ve given her a lifetime of chances . she told me she is 80 years old and she wants to make peace with me before she dies I’m so upset and feel so bad am I makeing a mistake contacting her . I read your post and calmed down a bit she is love bombing me . Telling me everyone is against her and she is sorry that I’m ignoring her she wants to see me before she dies . The thing is she’s a healthy 80year old with no I’ll health she is making me nervous because she is talking about death and I might miss living my mum. I’m sorry I have not wrote this out well because i feel as if she is not wanting to make me feel better it’s all about her yet I think I’m the bad one . I’ve come so far in healing the last couple of months . I live alone I don’t have kids because I didn’t think I would be good a enough mum . I don’t know
What to do . It’s all about her her wording is . I am sorry your not talking to me . I feel upset I can’t see you . I am angry because no one is listening to me . I want her to stop and see what she had done . She has a husband who she abuses as well . Sorry for the rant I hope everybody is Healing I know I’m not the only one going through this I feel stupid . I hope you all sort your mums out Mandy ❤️
Dear Mandy- It makes me so sad that you ended your comment by saying you feel stupid. Of course, you are broken up, don’t know which way to turn, and feel very, very torn. Yours is a reasonable response to an unreasonable situation.
Can you pause right now and give yourself some grace? No child of any age should have to endure their parent berating them. It’s just plain wrong.
Now to your question- “What to do? It’s all about her her wording is . I am sorry your not talking to me . I feel upset I can’t see you . I am angry because no one is listening to me . I want her to stop and see what she had done .”
I hear that your mother is apologetic… no actually, that’s not in there . When you look closely at what she is saying…what I read is that your mother is expressing how the estrangement is affecting her negatively.
I don’t see any ownership or reflection on her part.
Now, I’m not there and don’t know your situation exactly. Your mother may be very remorseful and reflective about how wrong it has been to treat you so shamefully.
That would indeed be appropriate.
So- if you want …you could ask her why she thinks you don’t want to be in contact with her. Ask her how she understands the estrangement and what she is prepared to do differently now that she realizes how important a relationship with you is.
In doing so, you give her a fair chance to demonstrate that she “sees” what she has done. Armed with that information, you can be able to tell if it is safe for you to reestablish contact or if you need to protect yourself further from her abuse.
I wish you strength. You deserve so much better.
Katherine
My mother is alone, and I CANNOT HELP FEEL SORRY FOR HER….GIVING INTO HER EVERY WIM….i am an empath and feel very very guilty all the time…..i am married and have my own life…so i constantly feel like i have to be everything for everyone all the time. i am exhausted, but i cannot leave her alone?? surely? how do i deal with her telling me she doesn’t see me enough and i don’t want to be with her…???
Hi Lelane,
I hear your desperation and the feeling, like a finger trap, the more you want to pull away to free yourself, the more guilt you feel which ties you tighter and tighter to the source of your anger, which in turn makes you feel more guilty!!!
Whew! Let’s both take a deep, cleansing breath here. And I am only partially kidding. I’ve been where you are and found my way out but I know how strong these feelings can be.
Just reading this makes me feel a little panicky.
But, what you are experiencing is not uncommon and is a cycle many Good Daughters experience.
So onto helping you.
First, let’s try and find some room between ” I CANNOT HELP FEEL SORRY FOR HER… and….GIVING INTO HER EVERY WIM…” The problem isn’t that you feel bad for her; the problem is that your empathy is turning into obedience and subservience- making you a slave to her whims.
Now- of course, I don’t know about your particular situation, but I’m going to tell you what I’ve told others in similar situations, so take what applies and disregard the rest.
Let’s now try and separate the feeling of being sorry for your mother…..and ….. giving into her every whim. I would invite you to consider that you can feel compassion for your mother’s situation (she’s alone) and NOT take responsibility for her plight. Hummm- Maybe scheduled visits that fit your schedule?
It’s also likely that something even deeper is at play here:
For you to feel this so strongly, My best guess it you are in the throes of an unconscious agreement (made in childhood) to be responsible for your mother’s emotional well-being. I go into this in my book The Good Daughter Syndrome®- so be sure and get a copy.
The gist is that from early childhood, the sensitive, attuned daughter senses her mother’s limitations and needs for mom to be okay (how else are you gonna survive?) you develop an unhealthy (for you) notion that you can and should take care of mom.
It’s impossible, but your child’s brain doesn’t know that, and it becomes baked into your relationship with her.
Plus, you feel so angry because it’s your turn to have a family and a life, and Mom is sucking up all of your energy. That’s understandable!
Any time we have anger towards someone, and we can’t bring ourselves to express it reasonably, it can grow exponentially and make us feel guilty for feeling so angry towards someone we love- or are at least attached to.
So what to do-
How about considering that your needs count too?
Does Mom feel guilty that she is taking up all of your time when you have a family? If you are waiting around for her to come around, you might be waiting a lifetime.
If you are like many Good daughters, you will have to take the lead and look out for yourself.
Will Mom like it? Probably not. After protesting mightily, will she back down and take what she can get? Probably so.
You have more power than you realize. You just have to use it.
And you have to know that you can care about someone without becoming their doormat.
Best of luck.
You can do this,
Katherine
My mother is clearly a covert narcissist and I fit in the good daughter syndrome. She just show repentance and promised to change and respect my boundaries after I wrote her a letter! I’m surprised. Is there any hope?
Hi Jo,
Hey that’s great. Even if it’s only a great start and it may be more than that. Some women in this culture have been trained to get their needs met through manipulation and truly don’t know another way. When it is pointed out to them, some of them will change. And that’s a good thing. When you know better you can do better. Hey, we are all a work in progress.
You might ask your mom what she hears you saying – have her repeat it back to you ( in her words, of course) to see if she has truly integrated what you are saying and not just appearing to placate you.
You might also ask for specific changes in the way you would like the relationship to go forward and see if she will agree to those. Still it may be a learning curve and you may have to revisit them before you see consistent change.
If Mom is a dyed in the wool personality disordered covert narcissist she will probably not really change but she may lay low for a while. Still you can use the opportunity to make intentional changes on your part and tell her that these are the ways you intend to relate going forward.
Then it is up to her to demonstrate that she is serious about changing. I am an optimist and at the same time a realist. Your writing a letter is a good place to start. Just don’t give up your new found voice- you may need it going forward.
Rooting for you,
Katherine
In my case the only solution is completely cut off all communication. I am definitely 100% done. I have cried thousands of tears, beat myself up, doubted that I am lovable, and never wanted to have children fearing I would turn into her. In spite her abuse (and I mean physical as well as emotional) and narcissistic treatment, I will say that my sister, brother, and myself are, kind and good people. None of us will take care of her should our father pass away before her. My father is a saint on our only saving grace. He did sacrifice his life for his children. While he made the mistake of allowing her to abuse us, he did the best he could. She had a wild temper. The only reason I had had anything to do with her is because I want to see my dad. I recently told him I’m done. I will not do it anymore and if he wants to see me he will have to come to me. She threatens suicide if I fire back at her when she screams at me. And it is for this reason I have never told her exactly how her abuse has caused her children so much pain. Mother’s Day is the worst day of the year as far as I’m concerned. I crawl into bed and wait for it to be over, and no, I do not see her, call or send a card or gift. This woman is the most miserable human I have encountered. The one positive thing to come out of it, is I am a mother to the most beautiful son I could have asked for. He is the best thing I have ever done, and I am happy to report I am nothing like her. He is the most precious gift from God. I never new what love was until I had my son, which only confused me even more how she could treat her children the way she does. I thought I married a man like my dad, unfortunately he was exactly like her. But he never ever abused our son, that is a boundary neither of the ever crossed. Yes I am devices and am divorcing her as well. No one should ever be treated the way we were. She will never change and I no longer feel the need to try. I have not shed one tear writing this have not cried over her in years. I’m just done. There are limits to love and she has found mine.
Hi Lisa,
I’m sure anyone who reads this will understand. You have suffered so much. And sometimes the only way to end the suffering is to get distance- and sometimes sooner rather than later. Just because a person is a mother doesn’t necessarily mean she can mother.
I wish you the best and thanks for writing,
Katherine
My situation is unusual I think because my mother did not become really difficult until 11 years ago when she was 78 and I was 55. Looking back I can see hints of her narcissism throughout my life, but it wasn’t until after I got a chronic illness and she retired that her narcissism really blossomed and has made my life hell.
My illness disabled me. I was so severely ill in the beginning I was bed bound without the energy to sit up or engage in a conversation. I didn’t have the energy to talk or listen. My mother would want to “help” me by coming over to visit. Once she came over while I was as sick as I have described and sat across from my bed gaily chatting about her favorite topic, people I didn’t know and didn’t care about. I couldn’t respond and it was so antithetical to what I needed which was just utter peace and quiet that after that when she would call and want to come over I just politely declined. That was the start of her feeling rejected by me and the build up of her rage.
It’s such a long story, but over the last 11 years she has had a handful of rages at me where she was so vicious I was left literally shaking. I have responded by avoiding contact with her. We are the only family each other has locally. We live 6 miles from each other and I rarely see or talk to her.
Things have changed in the past year. She is 89, she has a husband but she no longer has friends, they have moved or died. She’s very bored, unhappy and anxious about the future and needs me more.
My illness has greatly improved in the last 2 years, but stress is the absolute worst thing that causes me set backs. I have told my mother this many times but it has no meaning to her.
My biggest problem is that I have so much guilt now that she is old old and wants a relationship with me, but she has caused me so much pain I don’t want to be with her. I feel that I do owe it to her to spend more time with her because of her age. I get very depressed and anxious when I’m with her and it causes my illness to get worse. She interprets my extreme depression around her as my being cold to her and accused me of “punishing” her so now I pretend to be warm. I feel so hopeless and constantly anxious. Only her death will free me. I finally found a decent therapist for support, but 45 mins a week is not enough support.
Your writing is very helpful. Thank you.
Hi Sarah,
It sounds like you have indeed suffered terribly. And how much of your bodies pain can be attributed to it just feeling so cornered and
“protectively” shutting down? Of course, I can’t know but it is a question worth asking IMO.
I wonder if it isn’t time to put your health first. Wonder what would happen if you dared make that your first priority?
As long as I have written about this topic it never ceases to amaze me how some people just do exactly what they feel like doing, oblivious to the harm they inflict on others and other sensitive empathic types suffer because of it.
I hear you feel very sorry for your mother- at this stage of her life- but when do you get to live?
I adress much of this in my book The Good Daughter Syndrome. I can’t help but think you would benefit from reading it. I wish you the best and hope you will allow yourself to count in the equation- very soon.
Take care,
Katherine
Thank you very much for your reply and support. I will get your book. A lot of what is written about narcissistic mothers doesn’t feel like it applies to me because for most of my life I had a good relationship with her and she was very supportive. She has changed so much though, that I feel like my mother died 11 years ago.
You are so welcomed Sarah- Two things to keep in mind- you will want to rule out dementia which can cause personality changes. But if your mother has always had some narcissistic tendencies and she was keeping them under wraps- they can worsen with age. If that is the case, you might be helped with this blog post. https://daughtersrising.info/2021/07/16/how-to-deal-with-an-elderly-narcissistic-mother-12-tips-to-save-your-sanity/.
Best,
Katherine
I bought your book. It’s very good and very helpful. I had a nervous breakdown for the last 6 weeks because of my mother. That was the final straw. I went no contact 10 days ago.
I had no choice. I laid in bed shaking for the 6 weeks. I lost 13 lbs. I could barely speak to anyone, not even my beloved daughter. And my illness is much worse.
I’m not free yet. I’m facing the holidays without my family, they will all be at my mother’s. They will visit me, but it’s not the same.
My guilt ebbs and wanes. I wish I could find a decent therapist to get support on my path to deal with all the feelings left in the wake of my mother’s betrayal and abuse of me. The therapist I saw for 2 sessions turned out to be just as awful as the 6 others I’ve tried in the last few years.
Before my illness I was a psychotherapist (LCSW) for 28 years and my clients told me I was the best therapist they ever had, so I know what it means to be a good therapist.
It takes energy, a lot of energy to keep trying new therapists. Maybe next week I will try again.
Your writings are the best and most helpful about this tragic dynamic of narcissistic mothers and their oppressed daughters.
I will write a positive review of your book on Amazon.
Hi Sarah,
I can hear your pain coming off of the page. I am so very sorry and understand where you are coming from. It is so disheartening to be in such pain and to reach out only to be misunderstood. I can appreciate the energy cost to you.
Hopefully there will be a therapist who can see the truth of your situation and give you the support you need.
Thank you for supporting me an my writing by giving my book a review on Amazon- it really matters and I truly appreciate it.
Best,
Katherine
P.S. this holiday season will pass and ( hopefully) your resolve will begin to bring you peace.
I first stumbled across this post 18 months ago after moving back in with my parents after finishing college, and now return after having a few arguments with my mother over this past week about my goal of moving out this year.
For context, my mother seems to fit the covert narcissist to a T. She is incredibly skilled at manipulation having both manipulated my brother and I. As the oldest child and the daughter, I feel obligated to be good for my mother and to acquiesce to her ploys for power just to keep the peace. As a result, I have spent most of my twenties feeling insecure and inadequate, often settling for less in relationships and jobs. My friendships with women have often mirrored the dynamic with my mother, the men I have dated were distant and cold. Despite having a bachelors degree and a teaching certificate, I have worked primarily in childcare and as an assistant teacher in public schools, not putting my degree and credentials to use.
What has helped has been engaging in therapy and rediscovering my potent creativity. I write regularly and began taking ballet lessons five months ago fulfilling a girlhood yearning , which has infused my life with vitality and confidence. I feel poised to make a move towards independence. The problem I am finding though, is a lack of confidence. My mother most likely would need to co-sign a lease, and she often (as she did throughout our arguments this week) reminds me of this. She also says I am completely unrealistic, and I won’t have enough money to live on unless I do x, y, and z.
Your point about restraint here reminds me to keep my moves and decisions private, to consult with trusted others for help, and to above all hold faith in myself and my abilities. It is so hard (especially living under my mother’s roof) but I cannot go on the way I have been for much longer. The writing is on the wall. Thank you for your work, this post especially… restraint makes sense now.
Hi Bridget,
I’m so glad the post helps. You sound so self-aware and thoughtful.
I would encourage you to keep it up and you will go far. As you have realized- freedom don’t happen over night but each small step in the right direction will get you there.
I’m rooting for you,
Katherine
Thank you soooo much for this article/post. I’ve gotten to the point of googling at least once a week what can I do about my narcissistic mum and her silent treatment, and every time the same answer trumps up – nothing! It is so hard to go against all our human nature as you said, I literally wrote a letter YESTERDAY with every intention to leave it on her bed or a table, somewhere she’d see it, but I didn’t because of a fleeing thought of “is there really any point?”. So thank you for highlighting that exact scenario and how useless it would be to give it to her.
It has been over 2 months now of complete silence in the house. Not a single word has been exchanged between us, and I really mean not a single one…it is so tough when she is this strong and resilient in her decision to ignore me, but I am trying to stick to the “do and say nothing” approach.
I have been through all of this before with her, many times, but this is by far the worst and longest it has gone on for….that’s why I keep going back to “there must be SOMETHING I can do???” Because afterall we’ve made up before…? right…? But I just don’t know this time, this time she feels different, stronger almost….
Hi Elizabeth,
I’m glad the post is helpful. The silent treatment can be so awful… and 2 months… wow that sounds really tough.
If you are an adult, I’m afraid the more you take the bait and worry that you alone have caused the rift- she will have you right where she wants you. So good for you that you resisted the urge to write her a letter.
Since the silent treatment is designed to provoke guilt in another person, the less you care ( or show that you care) the less the silent treatment “works” on you.
Others in your situation have had success by “dropping the rope” and refusing to be held hostage to their mother’s assessment of their action or inactions. Establishing your own independence and not looking for her forgiveness will help you do that.
Best of luck,
Katherine
I realised my mum was a covert narcissist during lockdown when I felt such great relief of being able to keep distance. It was quite literally freeing and the best time of my life!. My dad passed away this year and I have given so much of my life to my mum to help her and she made an announcement at dinner recently during a family holiday that I hadn’t done anything to help and even did a cheers to me ‘for doing absolutely nothing’. I now feel guilty giving her space as she is grieving and I don’t know now how I should be handling it? Is it fair to try these tips when she is grieving, should I let her walk all over me as she is grieving, how long do I leave it? I have tried to set boundaries which she has ignored entirely particularly when it comes to my children who don’t want to see her, I am forcing them to see her as she is grieving.
It’s all really tough, she speaks over me constantly when I try and speak about my dad.
I’ve gone back to over sharing my life which she puts down, but I allow it because I feel she is lonely and needs conversation.
When I arrange a trip/ spending time with my husband and children, she says ‘well atleast you have a husband’ Infact she keeps saying this out of the blue, ‘atleast you have a husband you are fine’ and ‘I am so jealous you have it all and I have nothing’
She ignored our help recently and told her friends & neighbours she has no one & has no help – it hurts that they are thinking we aren’t helping. My husband says he will no longer offer and she has to come and ask. He didn’t get one thank you for spending a whole day there sorting the house for her.
She tells me stories of how other people’s families have helped doing xyz and makes me feel guilty.
It’s a very stressful situation.
Any tips on how I should be behaving or managing this? Thanks
Dear Hanna,
As I can’t give direct advice over the Internet, I’m going to respond in a general way – to show what you wrote strikes me- knowing there may be more to your particular situation.
So, with that in mind, here we go.
Oh goodness. I hear how much you are sacrificing for your Mom. With all the good intentions in the world… you keep throwing yourself on the train tracks of her limitations and cruelty.
I am genuinely sorry about your Dad’s passing. But, while you assume your mother is grieving, taking a deeper look might be merited. She has lost your dad, this is true, but she may not be grieving in the way you assume.
Grieving takes a certain amount of psychological health. Some folks, particularly narcissists, don’t really grieve the way the rest of us do. Grief work involves acceptance and sadness. Avoiding grief looks like staying stuck in aggrievement. It’s like the narcissist takes the loss as an insult to them. From what you wrote, it sounds like your mother is attempting to “make you make up for” for her loss.
I would argue that it isn’t your job to make up for her loss. That doesn’t mean that you don’t feel compassion for her loss. It just means that you don’t take on responsibility for her loss instead of doing the work of grief.
Taking on her cruelty and giving her a pass doesn’t work. What’s more, if you resonate with this role, you will be treated more and more like a doormat.
Lots of daughters in the Good Daughter role mistake feeling compassion for their mothers with accepting their mother’s cruelty. Your hurt doesn’t actually help her- it only enables her cruel ways.
If you didn’t resonate with her cruel ways, it might look like this-
1) You wouldn’t defend yourself when she complains. You might say, that sounds hard, Mom- and leave it at that.
2) You would decide what you will and will not do without looking for her to be appreciative. She can’t give you that. Not because you don’t deserve it. You most certainly do. She can’t give you her appreciation because in her aggrievement, she can only focus on how the loss effects her.
3) You’d educate yourself about this dynamic. Take the lead. Don’t wait for her to “respect your boundaries.” Boundaries are what you will do, not what she approves or disapproves of.
I know all of this is easier said than done. I hope you will read more of these blogs and get my book. Getting free is a journey. If I am reading you right, you have suffered too much for too long. There is freedom on the other side of this terrible treatment (“walking all over me”) by a difficult mother. You can get free and still feel like a good person.
Best of luck,
I wish you well on your journey,
Katherine
Wow so glad for the Internet finding new content all the time. For years though it was me. I went low contact in 2023 I did not say anything as you know best to say little. When she realised what was going on, she fabricated a lie that she was dying. Yes we went to all the doctors and therapists and they ran every test on her. Opened my eyes though they declared her healthy she stated she is losing her memory they said no. And on and on it went. I had a mouth full of ulcers must be all the running here and there with her and she spat at me venomously why don’t you ever look after yourself. Something in me snapped that day. And the words self care flashed up in my mind like a light bulb. So now fast forward a year later grey rocking is my friend and boundaries are my best buddies. I am friendly yet firm very firm and happy to smile and nod. She knows what I am doing and I know what I am doing and we both know why. But let it remain unspoken. . .I am so thankful for the outrageous lie because it released me she exposed herself. I don’t dislike her but the shift has occurred and there’s no going back. I want to live and see my grandchildren thank you. I don’t complain to anyone and I don’t explain anything to her. As survivors of long term abuse we have to heal alone sometimes in peace. Meditation and Breathwork have been my saviours truly. No one truly gets it unless they have a npd parent especially mother. My children are great too of course and I have an understanding partner. Over 40 long years now but I feel completely light and free now and the realisation that there was never anything wrong with me in the first place. I am not perfect but my heart is in the right place. Thankful to my grandparents too because their influence helped me not turn into sociopath or npd. Thankful
Hello Katherine,
thank you so much for your blog – it was like reading about my own life!
My sister and I try to avoid our mother whenever possible, because we had enough of 4 decades of emotional manipulation, gaslighting, blame shifting, guilt-tripping and of all the drama with her playing the grand victim.
She’s prone to very sudden mood changes (which is blamed on us) and she tops all the drama with sentences like “My daughters have buried me alive!” or “My daughters treat me like a leper!”…
She treats us horribly all the time, but she has literally stated that she (and only she) “can behave the way she likes, period”.
How do you recommend to react, when my mother is demanding more visits?
No rational reasoning works with her, so I want to quit trying that.
What should we say – WHY are we not visiting her?
How to shoot down the guilt-tripping?
I would greatly appreciate your insight.
Thanks in advance.
Vicky
Vicky
Hi Vicky,
I’m glad the blog has been helpful to you.
Let me first direct you to my blog on guilt-tripping mothers https://daughtersrising.info/2022/11/20/guilt-tripping-mother/.
And also one on setting boundaries guilt-free https://daughtersrising.info/2024/07/13/setting-guilt-free-boundaries-with-mom/.
That and my book should be helpful. https://a.co/d/izLMNoM
But back to your question—
If I understand where you are coming from, you’ve established that trying to reason with your mother isn’t working, and your central question is this—How do you recommend reacting when my mother is demanding more visits?
There might be something important to glean from the phrasing of the question itself. First of all—how you react is more for you than for her. When you accept that she is a) not going to see the error of her ways, and b) you can’t react in a way in which she will “get it.” I’ll bet you know that deep down.
Since you know nothing will make her “understand,” saying, “this is what works for me”—if both true—brings the focus back to you. You are stating that you are taking care of yourself. If that feels selfish, notice how your needs are not allowed to be part of the equation. How ridiculous!
Of course, she won’t like this response, but since she won’t like any response, one in which you stand up for yourself changes you! Also—here’s a little secret—bullies count on your trying to appease THEM. When you signal that you are no longer interested in doing that, they can’t undercut you in a way that makes you feel small and beneath them. By keeping the focus on you and your needs it changes the dynamic.
Best of luck,
Katherine